tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22458072.post6792791424034222097..comments2007-08-08T18:34:52.486-05:00David Wenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17142892432178270834noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22458072.post-36136384892163810982007-08-08T18:34:00.000-05:002007-08-08T18:34:00.000-05:00fwiw: when i graduated in '92 & took my first staff gig in '94 i was making $40k (this was after freelancing at some great shops). but the job entailed working most my weekends & it was non-stop after that. i was a grad from art center college of design where if you missed a deadline... you flunked & if you had a bad comp on the wall it was either burned w/ a bic lighter or torn up during class in front of other students after a tough critique...<BR/><BR/>to this day i have never missed a deadline.<BR/><BR/>lee clow once told me in a ad workshop to not worry about the money & it would come if i did great work... within three years i was makin' 6 figs.<BR/><BR/>also, as we rise through the ranks we see (esp. @ large/old agencies) maybe a third actually produce the work.<BR/><BR/>i'd prefer to run lean & mean. young grads run lean & mean & you'll fare very well. & if you are great... don't wear your ambition on your coat sleeve.<BR/><BR/>(read art of war) <BR/><BR/>cheersformer cd who now directsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22458072.post-87054345441175053112007-07-24T13:22:00.000-05:002007-07-24T13:22:00.000-05:00This article almost had me laughing with anger. The whole idea of no talent and hire pay is insane.<BR/><BR/>After completing four years of ad classes and getting a B.A. in advertising from a well-known university, along with two prestigious internships, I still found it hard to break past the "no portfolio school?" stigma during my initial job search. It seemed like creative directors were more interested in where you got your skills than how well you could use them.<BR/><BR/>I think there is tons of talent out there at the junior level, but agencies are just afraid to give people a shot. With millions of dollars being thrown around behind global brands, I can hardly blame them. But, nobody ever got the big payoff without rolling the dice.<BR/><BR/>As for the pay scale; anyone who has tried to break into a junior-level ad spot knows they aren't gonna be making much. And with most of the agencies being located in major cities, such as New York, the pay falls even shorter compared to rent and bills you will need to pay in order to work and live in that area.<BR/><BR/>All of this is I think why my professors back in college really stressed having a passion for advertising if you want to enter the field. Without that passion, you are just gonna fill your days with small paychecks, long hours and a lot of doors slammed in your smiling face.shedwahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07933093069686611719noreply@blogger.com